Clarification about the term "GPS Shutdown"

Discussion in 'General GPS Discussion' started by Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004.

  1. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Clarification about the term "GPS Shutdown"

    As has always been the case: "GPS Shutdown" means turning
    off the C/A signal used by the civil community, but leaving
    the encrypted P(Y) codes on the L1 and L2 carriers turned
    on for military (and other authorized users) interrupted.

    A long time ago it was necessary for military receiver to
    use the C/A code in the process of acquiring P(Y)
    signals. This is no longer the case... And the new
    M-codes on launched beginning in 2005 contribute to
    making this "easier".

    Killing the existing C/A code and other new "civilian"
    codes on L5 and L1 will disrupt commerce, security,
    timing and industry many orders of magnitude greater than
    even a terrorist nuclear (nu-ku-lar) attack! The Bush
    Administration needs to "get real"!

    There's my editorial for 2004
    -Sam
    http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
     
    Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004
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  2. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

     
    Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004
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  3. Sam - I must have missed something - what policy or pronouncment of the Bush
    administration is this in reference to? Thx.
     
    Pieter Litchfield, Dec 16, 2004
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  4. Sam Wormley

    JetCaptain Guest

    Sam, keep your political opinions to yourself. You're going to make an ass
    of yourself. And, you're wrong.
     
    JetCaptain, Dec 16, 2004
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  5. Ahh - never mind the reference - I found it at the other news group. The
    joys of cross posting!

    Not too many years ago, the idea of having a policy in place that would
    require US military pilots to shoot down unarmed planes full of Americans if
    a terrorist highjacking and plan to use it as a bomb, a la 9-11 would be
    completely unthinkable. Now it is a grim reality. I think the article you
    cited spelled out that the administration realizes that shutting down the
    civilian GPS system would have dire impacts, but short interruptions might
    be necesssary to deal with the remote instance of a civilian GPS being used
    to somehow guide a terrorist or terrorist device to a "high profile" target.
    I don't see that as any more disturbing or absurd than the notion we might
    have to shoot down a whole plane full of American civilians to prevent an
    even worse scenerio. I think the administration is "getting real." There
    should be policies in place governing the use of last ditch strategies for
    the avoidance of terrorist activities. Hopefully they will never be used.
    That's my counterpoint editorial for 2004.
     
    Pieter Litchfield, Dec 16, 2004
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  6. Sam Wormley

    Craig Guest

    He's probably referring to this newswire story:

    "ush Prepares for Possible GPS Shutdown

    WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush has ordered plans for temporarily
    disabling the U.S. network of global positioning satellites during a
    national crisis to prevent terrorists from using the navigational
    technology, the White House said Wednesday.

    Any shutdown of the network inside the United States would come under
    only the most remarkable circumstances, said a Bush administration
    official who spoke to a small group of reporters at the White House on
    condition of anonymity.

    The GPS system is vital to commercial aviation and marine shipping.

    The president also instructed the Defense Department to develop plans
    to disable, in certain areas, an enemy's access to the U.S.
    navigational satellites and to similar systems operated by others. The
    European Union is developing a $4.8 billion program, called Galileo.

    The military increasingly uses GPS technology to move troops across
    large areas and direct bombs and missiles. Any government-ordered
    shutdown or jamming of the GPS satellites would be done in ways to
    limit disruptions to navigation and related systems outside the
    affected area, the White House said.


    ``This is not something you would do lightly,'' said James A. Lewis,
    director of technology policy for the Washington-based Center for
    Strategic and International Studies. ``It's clearly a big deal. You
    have to give them credit for being so open about what they're going to
    do.''

    President Clinton abandoned the practice in May 2000 of deliberately
    degrading the accuracy of civilian navigation signals, a technique
    known as ``selective availability.''

    The White House said it will not reinstate that practice, but said the
    president could decide to disable parts of the network for national
    security purposes.

    The directives to the Defense Department and the Homeland Security
    Department were part of a space policy that Bush signed this month. It
    designates the GPS network as a critical infrastructure for the U.S.
    government. Part of the new policy is classified; other parts were
    disclosed Wednesday.

    The White House said the policies were aimed at improving the stability
    and performance of the U.S. navigation system, which Bush pledged will
    continue to be made available for free.

    The U.S. network is comprised of more than two dozen satellites that
    act as beacons, sending location-specific radio signals that are
    recognized by devices popular with motorists, hikers, pilots and
    sailors.

    Bush also said the government will make the network signals more
    resistant to eliberate or inadvertent jamming.

    On the Net:

    Office of Science & Technology Policy: www.ostp.gov"
    - Craig <reply to list. Email address in header is no longer checked>
     
    Craig, Dec 16, 2004
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  7. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Think of the impact on network timing, time dissemination, surveying,
    mining, robotic earth moving, asset management, parcel tracking, agriculture,
    fault monitoring, mapping, air traffic safety and even the majority of GPS
    receivers used by our troupes! Think about it! Shutting it off in time of
    crisis (or ever) make no sense what-so-ever.
     
    Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004
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  8. If I were a terrorist and I would build a device requiring GPS to work,
    I would steal some stupid enough 18-year-old US-army-soldier's GPS, that
    works on the military signal, easy enough. Bin Laden, would you like my
    bank account number so you can give me lotsa money for this great idea?

    --
    Hans Fleischmann

    -nl
    PGP-KeyID: 0x676FB35B - A26E A57D C006 C19B 9A42 A688 C241 C255 676F B35B
    +31650525455
     
    Hans Fleischmann, Dec 16, 2004
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  9. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest


    Think of the impact on network timing, time dissemination, surveying,
    mining, robotic earth moving, asset management, parcel tracking, agriculture,
    fault monitoring, mapping, air traffic safety and even the majority of GPS
    receivers used by our troupes! Think about it! Shutting it off in time of
    crisis (or ever) make no sense what-so-ever.
     
    Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004
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  10. Sam Wormley

    JetCaptain Guest

    An excellent counterpoint and one with which I fully agree.

    Before anybody else gets their head twisted by partisan politics, read the
    official document as released to the public. Granted some parts are left
    out for national security reasons, but the document Bush has signed will
    improve on our existing GPS system. There are far more good things in the
    document than the unlikely chance that the signals would be temporarily
    disabled in the event of a national emergency. In point of fact, all GPS
    users should laud the administrations efforts.
     
    JetCaptain, Dec 16, 2004
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  11. Do you really believe that the people in charge are able to grasp the
    point that's being made in this paragraph? Personally I suspect they can't
    rationalise in that way at all.
     
    Brian Morrison, Dec 16, 2004
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  12. Sam Wormley

    Richard Ness Guest

    An additional observation or 2:

    The knee-jerk (partisan) reaction I am seeing here fails to note an important fact.
    This is not a global shutdown they are talking about, but a regional or even
    very localized shutdown and only in very dire circumstances.

    I'm not denying that there would be civilian hardship in the effected region,
    but the rhetoric I'm seeing here would lead the naive to believe that everything
    everywhere would come grinding to a halt. Which is just not true.

    Also, I'd bet that the criterion requiring a shutdown are quite high. I'd bet that
    the possible effects of such an event are magnitudes more catastrophic than the
    effects of temporarily shutting down GPS in a certain area.
     
    Richard Ness, Dec 16, 2004
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  13. Hans:

    My understanding is that US military GPSs require the user to enter a code
    that is frequently changed. This feature would make theft of a US military
    GPS mostly useless, and suggest that if a terrorist had a use for GPS, the
    civilian signal would be far more useful that the military - more reason to
    have a plan to deal with terrorist uses of civilian GPS.
     
    Pieter Litchfield, Dec 16, 2004
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  14. And where are you going to get the keys to decrypt the p signal?
     
    Joop van der Velden, Dec 16, 2004
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  15. Plus of course another minor detail: The very situation that made a
    regional shutdown necessary would probably have made civilian life much
    harder anyway.

    Let's say that a regional shutdown in the area of Zlobenia has become
    necessary because the US is at war with Zlobenia and Zlobenian troops
    where seen equipped with civilian GPS receivers.

    Just how much would Zlobenian civilians be affected in their farming,
    mining, parcel tracking and civilian air traffic, seeing that they
    won't do very much of this on account of their country just beeing
    invaded by the US Army?

    Juergen Nieveler
     
    Juergen Nieveler, Dec 16, 2004
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  16. Sam Wormley

    Richard Ness Guest

    Sam,

    In the past, I have respected your academic insights and technical GPS information.
    Normally, you can be counted on to disseminate useful and accurate information.

    But, during the election, you 'lifted the skirt' a bit and showed which way you leaned.
    But, you didn't let it effect your contributions here.... until now.

    In this case, I'm afraid you have let your political views taint the information you are
    passing on here. Too bad.

    I know that you (really) know better.

    1.This is a contingency plan. For a dire emergency only. Better to at least have a plan in
    place for an emergency, than sit there doing nothing if the feces DOES ever impact the
    rotating blades. Would you rather just have us caught totally off guard?

    2. An event triggering a shutdown most certainly would be magnitudes worse then the
    inconvenience caused by the TEMPORARY lack of GPS nav and timing.

    3. You know as well as anyone the ability is in place to degrade or inhibit the use of GPS
    regionally and locally. Greatly limiting the impact a shutdown would have.
     
    Richard Ness, Dec 16, 2004
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  17. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    I'm saying that more harm than good is done by interrupting an infrastructure
    that society, institutions and government are becoming more reliant every day.
    In fact, it's pretty hard to come up with *any* advantage to shutting down the
    civilian signals.

    Care to define "dire emergency"?

    I'd be happy to argue the merits on both sides in this forum.
     
    Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004
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  18. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Plus the terrorists with their stolen equipment and codes. So only the
    terrorists and the military would be able to navigate.
     
    Mxsmanic, Dec 16, 2004
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  19. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Did anyone tell John Walker that?
     
    Mxsmanic, Dec 16, 2004
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  20. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    From the same spy who sold you the equipment.
     
    Mxsmanic, Dec 16, 2004
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