DriveSmart 61 Saved Trips Sort Order

I create trip files for each day there are about 100 days in a long trip. I import these but can not figure out a way to affect the order in which they are presented on the device.
I have tried the date is the rte line (<name>TR7-5</name>) but that have no effect.
I have tried incrementing the number in the ret line (<number>1</number>) also no effect.

The software in the device must use something to create the order does anyone which field effect effects the presentation order?
Thanks,
Bernie

 

I create them on my computer and copy them to them drivesmart 61.

 

Route File <rte> and <rtept> types.
Not the Date generated because when I change a file, delete the one from the device and upload the new version it does not sort either first or last.
I'd love to be able to see the code, it should not be too difficult the figure out if the order is determine on the display or the insertion and how they decide the order.

 

I've written my own code. I create my routes in Streets and Trips and Export the GPX file and import it into excel and do some manipulation with excel then from and an excel VB procedure create the GPX files for the Drive Smart 61. This has worked great for me. Last year we had 96 driving days on the trip so 96 files. It is a pain it the neck going through the non-order list to find a file. Gets easier toward the end of the trip.
I'm trying every optional GPX format field to see if I can figure out what the Garmin uses to establish the order, No lick so far.

 

Thank You,
This is very revealing.
I copied your gpx code and made made 1111-5555 with name AAAAA-EEEE and mine are displayed CCCC, BBBB, AAAA,EEEE, and dddd (I made dddd lowercase).
So it is apparently something about my DriveSmart 61.
My software Version: 6.30
GPS Firmware: 9.00.00
FMI: 3.6

 

I put 4 routes in the same gpx file alphabetically in order so that they would have to stored in order and they still display out of order. So I suspect it is a display side problem in the Drive Smart 61/51 devices.
Definitely not a show stopped but I am curios about it.

 

Yes I put in <trip:departuretimes> and I still see the files in the incorrect order. I made the departure dates and times both ascending. That is why I suspect display side.
Also, incidentally, i testing with the same five fields with various combination of options those always display in the same incorrect order. Even when I put five <rte> structures in a single gpx file.

 

EUREKA, Nuvi-Nebie, YOU DA MAN!

I am a tour bus driver who has used BaseCamp and my Zumo 550 (also motorcycled) for 13 years to create and navigate trip routes for tours of a day to 3 weeks, from two to 70 routes per trip. Both BaseCamp and the Zumo displayed routes sorted alpha-numerically, so by naming them in the format “MMDD Seq# Desc”, like “1106 1 B from A”, “1106 2 C from B’, etc., all routes were sorted in the sequence I will do them in BaseCamp and in the Zumo after being sent from BaseCamp. Perfect.

The Zumo is starting to go, so I recently bought a DriveSmart 66 (I no longer motorcycle). When I tested sending routes from BaseCamp, all was great except in the Route Planner App they are sorted in some seemingly random undecipherable way! What a PAIN when out there trying to find and select one of 75 routes from a randomly ordered list!

I called Garmin, no help, they weren’t able to tell me the sorting logic, only that it was no longer alpha-numeric and it had been that way for a while, perhaps for all Drive and DriveSmart devices, and it wasn’t likely to change, but of course I was free to submit a request.

Before doing that I searched and found nothing until I hit on this forum. I had never had to set a firm departure date/time (never used Trip Planner), so my saved routes until now all defaulted to the same date/time I suppose, or maybe blank. After seeing this thread, I tested it, and sure enough, if you select the first departure waypoint and set a firm departure date/time on it, and do similar to the other routes, using your trip itinerary as a rough guide, BINGO, they are now sorted in perfect execution order after sending to the 66 and bringing them up in the Route Planner! Problem solved! It is an extra step, but not a big one (as long as I remember this extra step) and I can certainly live with it, as it’s unlikely I could convince Garmin to change it. (BTW, any routes without firm departure times set are shown first in that undecipherable order, then the ones with firm departures in the order of departure. So if there are any I forgot to set, they’ll be at the top of the list and I can easily correct them and re-send.)

THANK YOU!!!

 

As a small addition to the above, if when you are on a trip using imported routes, you have a need to add a side trip and want to plan a route, without access to BaseCamp, these new devices are quite good at allowing you to create and save a route, including adding shaping points to customize the routes, in fact it works quite like BaseCamp. When you save one or more such device-created routes, in Route Planner there will now be two sections, one called "Saved Routes" and one "Imported Routes". Since when you create a route on the device, there is not an opportunity to set a departure date/time, that "Saved Routes" list IS sorted alphanumerically, so you can still use a smart naming scheme to display them in your desired order within that list.

I'm not certain what all devices these observations apply to, but I'm guessing most devices available in the last couple of years may be the same.

 

Steve, what is the syntax to the Way Port departure date/time.
I used:
<wpt> lat="38.556835" lon="-109.541101"><name>TR7-20</name><time>2022-07-20T07:20:06.015Z</time></wpt>
Then made the date/time higher for each wpt, however they still display randomly in Trip Planner imported trips.

 

Bernie -- I have never edited GPX files directly, so I'm no expert at that. I do all my route planning in BaseCamp, and there it is trivially easy to set a departure date/time for the first via point in any route by double clicking on that point, checking the "Departure Time" box, then selecting the date from a calendar and filling in the time.

However, having done that for a short trip with two routes in BaseCamp, I exported that list to a GPX file and this is what I see for the first route, where I set the departure time to 1/21/2022, 2 pm CST:

Code:

<rte>
    <name>0121 1 CR Bowling Ctr from East HS</name>
    <extensions>
      <gpxx:RouteExtension>
        <gpxx:IsAutoNamed>false</gpxx:IsAutoNamed>
        <gpxx:DisplayColor>Magenta</gpxx:DisplayColor>
      </gpxx:RouteExtension>
      <trp:Trip>
        <trp:TransportationMode>Automotive</trp:TransportationMode>
      </trp:Trip>
    </extensions>
    <rtept lat="42.502037705853581" lon="-92.327814102172852">
      <time>2010-06-11T16:14:07Z</time>
      <name>Wloo East HS Ath Pickup</name>
      <cmt>354 Barclay St</cmt>
      <desc>354 Barclay St</desc>
      <sym>School</sym>
      <extensions>
        <trp:ViaPoint>
          <trp:DepartureTime>2022-01-21T20:00:00Z</trp:DepartureTime>
          <trp:CalculationMode>FasterTime</trp:CalculationMode>
          <trp:ElevationMode>Standard</trp:ElevationMode>
        </trp:ViaPoint>

So it seems it's the "DepartureTime" variable that the sorting pays attention to. This only needs to be set for the first point in the route. I believe the "Time" variable on a waypoint has to do with the date it was created, so has no effect on the sorting of routes.

Hope this helps.

 

...The capital "D"s in what I pasted seem converted to green smiley faces, not sure what that's about. I tried to edit it but it wouldn't accept my changes.

 

I see what I pasted lost the indents as well, so I'll just upload the GPX.