Einstein's Relativity and Everyday Life -- Clifford M. Will

Discussion in 'General GPS Discussion' started by Sam Wormley, Jun 5, 2006.

  1. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    I will be looking forward to seeing "Phineas T Puddleduck"
    comment of some of the "clues" that he asserts that I am resistant to.

    So far, all I have seen from Puddleduck is parroting,
    and attacks on the messenger.

    Ever notice than when some immature, clueless clown comes into sci.physics
    and gets exposed, he climbs into bed with Sam Wormley and Dork Moortel?

    Parrots of the feather, horse's asses, and all that.

    --
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    Tom Potter, Jun 7, 2006
    #81
  2. You love parrots don't you.

    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #82
  3. Don't flatter yourself. Your idiocy isn't worth it. And please expose
    my ignorance. For a start, please tell me the 13 GR hacks to GPS. Name
    them, and list mathematically what they entail.

    Once you've done that, then perhaps I'll argue with you... Cause right
    now, all you are doing is parroting the same parrot old parrot nonsense
    sqwawk that doesn't wanna a cracker make sense.

    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #83
  4. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    What gets my goat Sam,
    is cult-like worship of science models and science figures.

    I have no objection to folks worshiping cult leaders
    like David Koresh and James Jones,
    and cult religions like Judaism and Hinduism,
    but I think this kind of cult behavior
    is not conducive to good science.

    For example, note that Sam gives credit to Einstein and GTR
    for the GPS system, when the fact of the matter is that it
    had nothing to do with the success of the system.

    They sent up satellites with precision oscillators on board,
    noted how much the oscillators changed in frequency,
    found the change in frequency matched Galileo's
    200 year old equation,
    and then they adjusted the frequency dividers accordingly.

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    Tom Potter, Jun 7, 2006
    #84
  5. LOVE the website btw. A nice little reminder to keep on my toes to make
    sure I don't end up in there ;-)


    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

    "General Relativity is a Tower of Babel that wastes time, money and minds on
    such pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves.."
    Tom saves us from ourselves and badly written scifi.
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #85
  6. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    You don't even need Newton's Laws to model
    the frequency offset in the GPS oscillators.

    All you need is Galileo's 200 year old equation.

    There will never be progress in physics
    as long as people continue to make hacks to GTR.

    New York Times:
    "All the News that's print to fit."
    (The Times management agenda.)

    GTR:
    "The model that is hacked to fit."
    (The Einstein cult agenda.)

    --
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    Tom Potter, Jun 7, 2006
    #86
  7. And if you'd actually read the link I provided.. you'd know the
    corrections are continual due to the fact the clocks are at different
    rates. But then you're in denial. Sqwawk

    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

    "General Relativity is a Tower of Babel that wastes time, money and minds on
    such pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves.."
    Tom saves us from ourselves and badly written scifi.
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #87
  8. I've nearly finished my Masters in it.
    Cool resume Erik.
    I get yours. Pretty basic misunderstanding of physics I'd expect from a
    high school student.
    Quite possibly...

    You really have a parrot fetish don't you. Norwegian Blue?


    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

    "General Relativity is a Tower of Babel that wastes time, money and minds on
    such pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves.."
    Tom saves us from ourselves and badly written scifi.
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #88
  9. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    Sorry I confused you Sam
    by using "bit rate" rather than "chip rate".

    --
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    Tom Potter, Jun 7, 2006
    #89
  10. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    It is interesting to see that "Phineas T Puddleduck"
    shucks and jives when asked to prove that he
    comprehends and can use a physics model that he hypes.

    It is also interesting to see that after shucking and jiving,
    he reveals his inner self with his statement:
    "Projection is when you endlessly accuse others of what you do."

    In other words, Phineas T Puddleduck has no idea how to use GTR to
    do anything useful, so he "projects" his inabilty
    to solve a real world problem onto me.

    You have to admit one thing though,
    "Phineas T Puddleduck" sure knows how to shucke and jive,
    and parrot.

    Polly want a cracker?

    --
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    Tom Potter, Jun 7, 2006
    #90
  11. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    When it comes right down to it, Potter, respects my posts,
    but won't admit it!
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 7, 2006
    #91
  12. No - just indicative of your ongoing cunfusion.


    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

    "General Relativity is a Tower of Babel that wastes time, money and minds on
    such pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves.."
    Tom saves us from ourselves and badly written scifi.
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #92
  13. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    That gets my goat too, Potter. You should be more skeptical
    like a scientist--research the empirical data supporting
    modern physics. Watch out, Potter, you might learn something
    new!
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 7, 2006
    #93
  14. The hacks such as Perihelion precession which accurately describe
    orbital motion you mean. But I suppose I must remember that any
    sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

    In your case, even a stick must seem amazing.


    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

    "General Relativity is a Tower of Babel that wastes time, money and minds on
    such pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves.."
    Tom saves us from ourselves and badly written scifi.
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #94
  15. For the last year I did an reasonably indepth analysis of the Newtonian
    and GR orbital motions. I could provide you with a pdf if you'd like,
    its got a lot of info on how the standard conic sections predicted by
    Newtonian gravity yields a plethora of open forms in GR.

    Like the idea of dwell time, and how perihelia precession in the solar
    system is a consequence of modelling its motion as a simple harmonic
    oscillator and examining the difference between radial periodic motion
    and the periodic motion of the perihelia.

    I also investigated analytically this procedure, as well as coding it.

    Now to any GR expert its pretty beginning stuff. But the point is -
    I've done it, and its patently obvious k00k you haven't even tried to
    do the math around GR
    There you go - prove me wrong. Do the GPS project on eftaylor.com, and
    publish your results.
    Psychosis?

    --
    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

    "General Relativity is a Tower of Babel that wastes time, money and minds on
    such pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves.."
    Tom saves us from ourselves and badly written scifi.
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 7, 2006
    #95
  16. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    What are these 13 hacks that you refer to Potter?
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 7, 2006
    #96
  17. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Either way you've got it wrong Potter... your numbers are just
    plain wrong whether talking about chip rates or bit rates. As
    I said, Potter, you don't have a clue about the basic operation
    of GPS as is demonstrated in these newsgroups!
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 7, 2006
    #97
  18. Sam Wormley

    Bhanwara Guest

    If I take 6 months and become an expert in Differential
    Geometry so I can take apart all the various GR proofs,
    will that work get published? Who will understand my proofs?
    Those who do, will make nonsensical dishonest claims that my
    proofs are not valid. Nobody else will understand what
    or why, so they will have to take the word of the
    acknowledged experts.

    You don't believe that?

    Well, I think my explanation of light transmission in vacuum is
    something nobody came up with before -- do you see people
    citing my website all over the place? Where is the discussion
    of the implications of that? My explanation of the electron
    gun causing anomalous behavior is something nobody came
    up with before -- where are the implications discussed?

    Or does all of that get disproved by some satellite data
    that matched some convoluted mathematical hackery?

    The treatment of vacuum-light-transmission and
    electron-gun and proposed-MMX-explanation proves
    to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the establishment
    is not where it should be. So what would be the point
    in trying to give it more complex work that nobody impartial
    can understand, when even the work that most people can
    easily understand doesn't raise an honest stir?
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 7, 2006
    #98
  19. Yes I don't belief that. Free hint, you are not the cleverest person in the
    world, and SOMEONE somewhere will understand it. When people rip your work
    apart, its not cause they don't understand it - its cause its wrong 90% of the
    time. If you had faith in your own work you wouldn't cry foul - you'd pick
    yourself up and make it better.

    I do not believe your paranoid rantings about an anti GR or even anti
    Established Science position. Arxiv.org is full of papers on MOND and the like.

    Have you even *tried* to publish stuff or are you just happy to imagine
    muttered words in dark corrridors?
    Where have you tried to publicise them too? Hint: USENET isn't the place.

    OH not you and GPS and GR - if you disblelief GR and GPS I have no truck with
    you whatsoever,
    You're sounding more like a paranoid person then anything

    --

    The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

    "Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
    Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.
    "Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
    Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...
     
    Phineas T PuddleDuck, Jun 7, 2006
    #99
  20. Sam Wormley

    dda1 Guest

    Stop flattering yourself, Mukesh Prasad, you will not get differential
    geometry in 6 centuries, let alone 6 months.

    Even if you "got' differential geometry" what arrogance to believe that
    you can "take apart...". All you can take apart is your own shit that
    you eat daily.

    No one, since they are cretinoid.

    Don't flatter yourself, Mukesh Prasad, you cannot write a line of math
    if your life depended on it.

    Of course not, cretinoid. Because it is a piece of shit coming out of a
    demented mind. The mind of Mukesh Prasad.

    Where is the discussion

    Nowhere. Because the "explanation" is brain damaged. Perhaps if you
    stopped eating your own shit you might return to normal, Mukesh Prasad.

    You mean GPS, you arrogant cretin?

    Well, it is you who are not where you should be: the lunatic asylum.
    Right, so get the **** off this website, there are legitimate websites
    for antirelativistic kooks. You will get a sympathetic ear ther. Now,
    scram!
     
    dda1, Jun 7, 2006
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