Einstein's Relativity and Everyday Life -- Clifford M. Will

[Tom Potter]

Am I right in guessing this k00k has a history of this Sam? He seems pretty clue resistant.

I will be looking forward to seeing "Phineas T Puddleduck" comment of some of the "clues" that he asserts that I am resistant to.

So far, all I have seen from Puddleduck is parroting,
and attacks on the messenger.

Ever notice than when some immature, clueless clown comes into sci.physics and gets exposed, he climbs into bed with Sam Wormley and Dork Moortel?

Parrots of the feather, horse's asses, and all that.

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

I will be looking forward to seeing "Phineas T Puddleduck" comment of some of the "clues" that he asserts that I am resistant to.

So far, all I have seen from Puddleduck is parroting,
and attacks on the messenger.

Ever notice than when some immature, clueless clown comes into sci.physics and gets exposed, he climbs into bed with Sam Wormley and Dork Moortel?

Parrots of the feather, horse's asses, and all that.

You love parrots don't you.

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

As can be seen Sam Wormley, Erik Max Francis, and Dork Moortel all set up personal attack web sites featuring me, after I exposed their ignorance, and I dare say that Phineas T Puddleduck will set up a personal attack web site, after I (And others) expose his ignorance a few more times.

Don't flatter yourself. Your idiocy isn't worth it. And please expose my ignorance. For a start, please tell me the 13 GR hacks to GPS. Name them, and list mathematically what they entail.

Once you've done that, then perhaps I'll argue with you... Cause right now, all you are doing is parroting the same parrot old parrot nonsense sqwawk that doesn't wanna a cracker make sense.

 

[Tom Potter]

A $30B+ industry, applying relativity to create a global infrastructure benefiting people all over the world got your goat, eh Potter (Willy Lowman).

What gets my goat Sam,
is cult-like worship of science models and science figures.

I have no objection to folks worshiping cult leaders
like David Koresh and James Jones,
and cult religions like Judaism and Hinduism,
but I think this kind of cult behavior
is not conducive to good science.

For example, note that Sam gives credit to Einstein and GTR for the GPS system, when the fact of the matter is that it had nothing to do with the success of the system.

They sent up satellites with precision oscillators on board, noted how much the oscillators changed in frequency, found the change in frequency matched Galileo's 200 year old equation, and then they adjusted the frequency dividers accordingly.

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

Yes, but I think he prefers horses:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/HorseAss2.html http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/HorseAss.html

Dirk Vdm

LOVE the website btw. A nice little reminder to keep on my toes to make sure I don't end up in there ;-)

 

[Tom Potter]

But it takes far less hacks then the Newtonian case...

You don't even need Newton's Laws to model
the frequency offset in the GPS oscillators.

All you need is Galileo's 200 year old equation.

There will never be progress in physics
as long as people continue to make hacks to GTR.

New York Times:
"All the News that's print to fit."
(The Times management agenda.)

GTR:
"The model that is hacked to fit."
(The Einstein cult agenda.)

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

They sent up satellites with precision oscillators on board, noted how much the oscillators changed in frequency, found the change in frequency matched Galileo's 200 year old equation, and then they adjusted the frequency dividers accordingly.

And if you'd actually read the link I provided.. you'd know the corrections are continual due to the fact the clocks are at different rates. But then you're in denial. Sqwawk

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

in message

No doubt Erik Max Francis' web site
will suit "Phineas T Puddleduck" just fine,
as Erick is an unemployed computer programmer
who took some data processing classes
at a third rate California college,
and he knows as much about physics as Sam Wormley,
Dork Moortel and "Phineas T Puddleduck"

I've nearly finished my Masters in it.

Here are excerpts from Erik's resume.
Contact him if you know of an opening at Taco Bell.

Cool resume Erik.

It will be interesting to see if
"Phineas T Puddleduck" reads and comprehends Dork Moortel so-called "fumbles".

I get yours. Pretty basic misunderstanding of physics I'd expect from a high school student.

Have fun "Phineas T Puddleduck".
You are in good company with Erik Max Francis,
Sam Wormley, and Dork Moortel.

Quite possibly...

As can be seen, it didn't take "Phineas T Puddleduck" long to define himself.

Parrots of the feather, horse's asses, and all that.

Polly want a cracker?

You really have a parrot fetish don't you. Norwegian Blue?

 

[Tom Potter]

This is just one example of Potter not having a clue about the basic operation of the Global Positioning System.

The C/A code
has a *chip* rate of 1.023 Mbps and a *bit* rate of 50 bps

The P(Y) code
has a *chip* rate of 10.23 Mbps and a *bit* rate of 50 bps

Sorry I confused you Sam
by using "bit rate" rather than "chip rate".

 

[Tom Potter]

All those words just to admit he doesn't have the mathematical capacity to understand the nature of relativistic corrections in GPS.

All those words and not one to say - I read your links and understand them.

All those words and not one to say "TP doesn't have the mathematical capability to do the rudimentary highschool calculus needed to prove the nature of GR corrections in GPS".

But please, go ahead and order yourself a non-relativistic GPS unit. Demand on it - save your money. Then I'll buy you a nice safari in Kenya for a month where you can hike around using it.

I'll arrange for you to be picked up in Tibet, mm-kay.

PS. Projection is when you endlessly accuse others of what you do.

It is interesting to see that "Phineas T Puddleduck"
shucks and jives when asked to prove that he
comprehends and can use a physics model that he hypes.

It is also interesting to see that after shucking and jiving, he reveals his inner self with his statement:
"Projection is when you endlessly accuse others of what you do."

In other words, Phineas T Puddleduck has no idea how to use GTR to do anything useful, so he "projects" his inabilty to solve a real world problem onto me.

You have to admit one thing though,
"Phineas T Puddleduck" sure knows how to shucke and jive, and parrot.

Polly want a cracker?

 

[Sam Wormley]

Hopefully Sam's attempt to attack the messenger
will encourage folks to actually pursue his references, and see what the facts are.

As can be seen, Dork Moortel called it a "fumble"
when I pointed out that one gets better information from the horse's mouth, than from a "horse's ass" ( Like Dork Moortel, Erik Max Francis and Sam Wormley).

And Erik Max Francis calls my poem "God is Culture"
"Cranky" religion, when in fact the poem is about evolution. Erik has a serious reading comprehension problem.

Sam is famous for posting useless references,
that more often than not favor the person he is
trying to discredit.

It appears that Sam either doesn't read his references, or else, he, like Erik, has a reading comprehension problem.

It is interesting to see that Sam and Dork think that
it is better to get their information from a "horse's ass', rather than from the "horse's mouth", and this explains the quality of their posts.

I will say that Sam Wormley is a stickler for punishment. No matter how many times I expose his ignorance of physics and GPS, and kick his ass, he hangs around for more punishment.

As can be seen Sam Wormley, Erik Max Francis, and Dork Moortel all set up personal attack web sites featuring me, after I exposed their ignorance, and I dare say that Phineas T Puddleduck will set up a personal attack web site, after I (And others) expose his ignorance a few more times.

When it comes right down to it, Potter, respects my posts, but won't admit it!

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

Sorry I confused you Sam
by using "bit rate" rather than "chip rate".

No - just indicative of your ongoing cunfusion.

 

[Sam Wormley]

What gets my goat Sam,
is cult-like worship of science models and science figures.

That gets my goat too, Potter. You should be more skeptical like a scientist--research the empirical data supporting modern physics. Watch out, Potter, you might learn something new!

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

You don't even need Newton's Laws to model
the frequency offset in the GPS oscillators.

All you need is Galileo's 200 year old equation.

There will never be progress in physics
as long as people continue to make hacks to GTR.

The hacks such as Perihelion precession which accurately describe orbital motion you mean. But I suppose I must remember that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

In your case, even a stick must seem amazing.

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

It is interesting to see that "Phineas T Puddleduck"
shucks and jives when asked to prove that he
comprehends and can use a physics model that he hypes.

For the last year I did an reasonably indepth analysis of the Newtonian and GR orbital motions. I could provide you with a pdf if you'd like, its got a lot of info on how the standard conic sections predicted by Newtonian gravity yields a plethora of open forms in GR.

Like the idea of dwell time, and how perihelia precession in the solar system is a consequence of modelling its motion as a simple harmonic oscillator and examining the difference between radial periodic motion and the periodic motion of the perihelia.

I also investigated analytically this procedure, as well as coding it.

Now to any GR expert its pretty beginning stuff. But the point is - I've done it, and its patently obvious k00k you haven't even tried to do the math around GR

It is also interesting to see that after shucking and jiving, he reveals his inner self with his statement:
"Projection is when you endlessly accuse others of what you do."

In other words, Phineas T Puddleduck has no idea how to use GTR to do anything useful, so he "projects" his inabilty to solve a real world problem onto me.

There you go - prove me wrong. Do the GPS project on eftaylor.com, and publish your results.

You have to admit one thing though,
"Phineas T Puddleduck" sure knows how to shucke and jive, and parrot.

Polly want a cracker?

Psychosis?

 

[Sam Wormley]

Clifford M. Will fit the GPS oscillator offsets
to General Relativity with 13 hacks.

What are these 13 hacks that you refer to Potter?

 

[Sam Wormley]

Sorry I confused you Sam
by using "bit rate" rather than "chip rate".

Either way you've got it wrong Potter... your numbers are just plain wrong whether talking about chip rates or bit rates. As I said, Potter, you don't have a clue about the basic operation of GPS as is demonstrated in these newsgroups!

 

[Bhanwara]

There's no doubt that perhaps GR is part and parcel of a larger framework, but at the end of the day if you're going to make extraordinary claims - you need extraordinary proofs. I dealt daily with someone rather well versed in GR and very abrasive - but even he admitted that if someone could prove their case the world, and the Nobel prize, would beat a path to your door. The "censorship" argument cannot be used anymore with the web. If you self publish on the web and people think you are onto something, you'll know it. You yourself have admitted you haven't done GR formally, which is ALWAYS going to go against you. The phrase about "know your enemy" springs to mind ;-)

If I take 6 months and become an expert in Differential Geometry so I can take apart all the various GR proofs, will that work get published? Who will understand my proofs? Those who do, will make nonsensical dishonest claims that my proofs are not valid. Nobody else will understand what or why, so they will have to take the word of the acknowledged experts.

You don't believe that?

Well, I think my explanation of light transmission in vacuum is something nobody came up with before -- do you see people citing my website all over the place? Where is the discussion of the implications of that? My explanation of the electron gun causing anomalous behavior is something nobody came up with before -- where are the implications discussed?

Or does all of that get disproved by some satellite data that matched some convoluted mathematical hackery?

The treatment of vacuum-light-transmission and
electron-gun and proposed-MMX-explanation proves
to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the establishment
is not where it should be. So what would be the point
in trying to give it more complex work that nobody impartial can understand, when even the work that most people can easily understand doesn't raise an honest stir?

 

[Phineas T Puddleduck]

If I take 6 months and become an expert in Differential Geometry so I can take apart all the various GR proofs, will that work get published? Who will understand my proofs? Those who do, will make nonsensical dishonest claims that my proofs are not valid. Nobody else will understand what or why, so they will have to take the word of the acknowledged experts.

You don't believe that?

Yes I don't belief that. Free hint, you are not the cleverest person in the world, and SOMEONE somewhere will understand it. When people rip your work apart, its not cause they don't understand it - its cause its wrong 90% of the time. If you had faith in your own work you wouldn't cry foul - you'd pick yourself up and make it better.

I do not believe your paranoid rantings about an anti GR or even anti Established Science position. Arxiv.org is full of papers on MOND and the like.

Have you even *tried* to publish stuff or are you just happy to imagine muttered words in dark corrridors?

Well, I think my explanation of light transmission in vacuum is something nobody came up with before -- do you see people citing my website all over the place? Where is the discussion of the implications of that? My explanation of the electron gun causing anomalous behavior is something nobody came up with before -- where are the implications discussed?

Where have you tried to publicise them too? Hint: USENET isn't the place.

Or does all of that get disproved by some satellite data that matched some convoluted mathematical hackery?

OH not you and GPS and GR - if you disblelief GR and GPS I have no truck with you whatsoever,

The treatment of vacuum-light-transmission and
electron-gun and proposed-MMX-explanation proves
to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the establishment
is not where it should be. So what would be the point
in trying to give it more complex work that nobody impartial can understand, when even the work that most people can easily understand doesn't raise an honest stir?

You're sounding more like a paranoid person then anything

 

[dda1]

If I take 6 months and become an expert in Differential Geometry so I can take apart all the various GR proofs, will that work get published?

Stop flattering yourself, Mukesh Prasad, you will not get differential geometry in 6 centuries, let alone 6 months.

Even if you "got' differential geometry" what arrogance to believe that you can "take apart...". All you can take apart is your own shit that you eat daily.

Who will understand my proofs?

No one, since they are cretinoid.

Those who do, will make nonsensical dishonest claims that my proofs are not valid.

Don't flatter yourself, Mukesh Prasad, you cannot write a line of math if your life depended on it.

Nobody else will understand what
or why, so they will have to take the word of the
acknowledged experts.

You don't believe that?

Well, I think my explanation of light transmission in vacuum is something nobody came up with before -- do you see people citing my website all over the place?

Of course not, cretinoid. Because it is a piece of shit coming out of a demented mind. The mind of Mukesh Prasad.

Where is the discussion

of the implications of that? My explanation of the electron gun causing anomalous behavior is something nobody came up with before -- where are the implications discussed?

Nowhere. Because the "explanation" is brain damaged. Perhaps if you stopped eating your own shit you might return to normal, Mukesh Prasad.

Or does all of that get disproved by some satellite data that matched some convoluted mathematical hackery?

You mean GPS, you arrogant cretin?

The treatment of vacuum-light-transmission and
electron-gun and proposed-MMX-explanation proves
to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the establishment
is not where it should be.

Well, it is you who are not where you should be: the lunatic asylum.

So what would be the point
in trying to give it more complex work that nobody impartial can understand, when even the work that most people can easily understand doesn't raise an honest stir?

Right, so get the **** off this website, there are legitimate websites for antirelativistic kooks. You will get a sympathetic ear ther. Now, scram!